25 psi charge pressure

HuntingRat

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Hi everybody. Been lurking on here for a little while, and want to say thanks for all the help that's been provided. I've been able to find a ton of information on past threads; hopefully I'm not posting a question that I just could've searched for.

Little back story: 2015 RTV X900, doesn't move at all. I bought it from a guy for $2500 knowing this, and also noticing that there was ATF in the transmission and in the hydraulic tank. He took it to the dealer and they told him it would need a whole new HST, I called the dealer to find out what they did. They told me they tried a few things to get pressure, but that there was no pressure in the HST and it needed a new one.

I cracked into the thing and was hoping to find something glaringly wrong. My untrained eye didn't see anything too bad, and this is just based on pictures from previous posts. So I put the whole thing back together, flushed out as much of the ATF from transmission and hydraulic reservoir (tried to take care of the "have you used new SUDT and new filters" argument). Waited for hydraulic pressure test kit and adapters to come in. And now I'm get ~25 psi at the charge pump. No pressure at the forward port. But that seems to be expected since I don't have sufficient charge pressure?

My first questions are: which part would you guys recommend changing first? I have no problem taking the HST off and apart as many times as needed to make sure I don't purchase unnecessary parts. So, should I just start with the charge pump (really just the ring and sprocket), or do those two parts from charge pump not go bad? They look fine, so should I start replacing the valve plate and swashplate on pump? And do cylinder and pistons for pump? If those are bad, would I also need replace the motor cylinder and pistons, valve plate, and swashplate? Or is that hard to tell until I get sufficient charge pressure? I guess I'm mostly wondering, would you guys just buy the used HST on ebay for $2k, or start chipping away at parts, which obviously add up to $2k quickly. Sorry about the million questions, but lastly, do you think the use of the ATF ruined the whole HST?

Lastly, does anyone know the size adapter I'll need to check the dynamic brake pressure port?

Sorry about the novel. Thanks in advance for any advice.

In the pictures I attached, there's oil over the pump valve plate, giving it a weird look, the wear doesn't feel horrible, but there's a little there. Obviously the fingernail hangup is subjective.
 

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geohorn

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HuntingRat… do you have a copy of the WSM for the X900? If not, I can ”loan” you a copy that covers the HST.
Send me a PM with your email address.
 

HuntingRat

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Transmission fluid has plenty of lubricity as to not destroy anything.
Good to know, thank you. I didn't find any large shavings on the magnets from the transmission drain plug, and didn't see any large chunks in the filters, or in the HST...
 
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Doc

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:wow: a 2015 for 2500 sounds like the deal of a lifetime. I look forward to seeing you get this puppy going. You know the service dept might have taken the easy way out rather than dig into it like you have. I hope you get her going without much more expense. And I look forward to the steps you take to get to the solution. Good luck!!!!!

And once again Thank you for becoming a Site Supporter. You are the first member ever to become a site supporter BEFORE you even make one post. Thank you sir!!!! :tiphat: :clap: :clap:
 

aurthuritis

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those valve plates look bad. the block looks ok but every leak will rob pressure. since assembly and disassembly isn't an issue i would replace the plates then reassemble and recheck. i would consider replacing the charge pump. congrats on a good cheap machine. let us know so we can learn????
 
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HuntingRat

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2015 for 2500 sounds like the deal of a lifetime. You know the service dept might have taken the easy way out rather than dig into it like you have.

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Well, it has 2000 hours and the Kubota dealer told PO that it would be $6500 to fix. So, he was willing to work on price.

The dealer definitely took the easy way out, plus that's what the WSM says to do. I called them after I bought and asked what charge pressure was, and they just said it was very low. So I asked what was very low, and he said, non existent, just replace the whole thing.

Glad to support the site, more helpful, and much cheaper than the dealer.
 

HuntingRat

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those valve plates look bad. the block looks ok but every leak will rob pressure. since assembly and disassembly isn't an issue i would replace the plates then reassemble and recheck. i would consider replacing the charge pump. congrats on a good cheap machine. let us know so we can learn????
Alright, I'll start with valve plates, I think they're only like $80. I forget how much charge pump was, not much though. But yeah, it's the block and pistons that I'm trying to avoid, that assembly was around $860.

Also, swashplate was around $150, would that contribute to low pressure?
 
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the swash plate isn't deformed and the domes on the pistons look ok. what really matters is the valve plates and the side clearances on the pistons. make sure you use assembly lube on everything. don't get the pistons mixed up,keep each in it's original hole.
 
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Solved.

Well, if you have low charge pressure. Then change or rebuild the charge pump. I rebuilt the pump, just bought the gear and rotor, then couldn't figure out how to remove the seal without damaging the seal, so had to wait a couple weeks for a seal to come in. So if you're going to rebuild, then get all the o-rings, seal and gear and rotor; at that point might be easier to buy a rebuilt one.

I'm still not quite sold that the pump itself was bad though. If I were to do it over again I would probably start with all the seals, have a feeling I was sucking air in somewhere. Either way, after replacing everything, charge pressure went to 95 and start leaking fluid from return line at tank reservoir. Have a feeling previous owner bottomed out on something, pushed up the tank and it cracked the line and lost good pressure then maybe burnt up charge pump.

Hope this helps someone in the future. Main lesson learned, if you have a hydrostat that isn't working, make sure you have charge pressure before digging in further! Would've saved me some time... I'm sure somewhere I read to do that, just didn't sink in
 
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