as you guys know i have been into the wood thing well this guy has about 6 acres of land that he wants clearedand so far all i got was one tree off it /lmao well anyways this property is loaded with cypress trees ad he says they got to go to. they range in size of 12"o.d to 28"od and they are all atleast 100' tall the way i counted i have about 60 of them so right now i'm trying to find a loggin company to take them because the old one done closed his doors. i will cut/drag and stack them for pickup all i need is a company to buy them so does anyone know of anyone who buys cypress trees.</p>
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[quote user="tommy 20/69"]they range in size of 12"o.d to 28"od and they are all atleast 100' tall </p>
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Ummm, how do you plan on dragging them? At 28" OD, you'll be hard-pressed to drag any length.</p>
Do NOT cut them down or cut into lengths until you talk to a logger. They have very specific lengths they'll want the trees to be.</p>
While you're looking for a logging company, spend some time learning how to measure "board feet". There's several ways to do it. Logging companies normally use one of the formulas that are highly in their favor.</p>
I have oak, maple & cherry. When they looked at my woods which has about 160 trees, they offered me about $100 per tree. They're worth more then that as firewood. Don't get hopes of getting rich off of this.</p>
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Ummm, how do you plan on dragging them? At 28" OD, you'll be hard-pressed to drag any length.</p>
Do NOT cut them down or cut into lengths until you talk to a logger. They have very specific lengths they'll want the trees to be.</p>
While you're looking for a logging company, spend some time learning how to measure "board feet". There's several ways to do it. Logging companies normally use one of the formulas that are highly in their favor.</p>
I have oak, maple & cherry. When they looked at my woods which has about 160 trees, they offered me about $100 per tree. They're worth more then that as firewood. Don't get hopes of getting rich off of this.</p>
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TWO GUNS
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<div><span style="font-size: large;"> "How is this possible!? You should bemelted to a shrieking puddle in these conditions!"</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: large;"> A Cajun who died went to hell. The devil assigned him the usual punishment . . . put him in the mass pit where the heat was melting others. The devil came back sometime later, surprised to find the Cajun just sitting around, not even misting, much less sweating.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: large;"> The Cajun laughed and said, "Man, I was raised in the bayous of Sout Looziana. Dis ain't nothin' but May in Morgan City to me!"</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: large;"> The devil decided to really put the Cajun through it. He put him in a sealed off cave in the pit with open blazes and four extra furnaces blasting. When he came back, days later, the Cajun was sitting pretty, had barely begun to bead up with sweat. The devil was outraged.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: large;"> "How is this possible!? You should bemelted to a shrieking puddle in these conditions!"</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: large;"> The Cajun laughed even harder than before."Hey, man! I done tole you. I was raised in Sout Looziana. You tink dis is heat?! Dis ain't nothin' but August in Cow Island !"</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: large;"> Exasperated, the devil asked "HOW!? How is it possible?!You're impervious to heat and here you sit in conditions you can't be used to . . . freezing cold and yet you're happier than if you were in heaven.WHY?!"</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: large;"> The Cajun kept grinning and asked, "Don't dis mean de Saints won da Super Bowl?"</span></div>
i was able to find a buyer for the wood . he said he'll take everything 12o.d and bigger so that should be a pretty good bit of trees. now he said he's paying 150.00 for 1000 borad feet of wood. so i asked if it was worth it for me to rent a bobcat for a day or two to drag them out with and he said from what i told him yes it would be.on the low end i think there is 30/40 trees but we never went all the way back to the end of the property so there is more there too. don't worry i ain't trin to get rick i'm just finding something to get by on.</p>
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oh a guy who sells firewood seen my stacks and stopped by we got to tlkin and he said he's getting 175.00 a face cord and 230.00 if he delivers it. so i figurethe goin price would be an even 150.00 a face cord or 300.00 for a whole 4x4x8 cord.</p>
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oh a guy who sells firewood seen my stacks and stopped by we got to tlkin and he said he's getting 175.00 a face cord and 230.00 if he delivers it. so i figurethe goin price would be an even 150.00 a face cord or 300.00 for a whole 4x4x8 cord.</p>
As for the wood stacked, that's a fine take for an afternoon.</p>
As I mentioned before, GET ON THE SAME PAGE FOR MEASURING BOARD FEET. They're out to make a buck and screw you. He's measuring a way that is a lot different that what you see. You're being cut short.</p>
I wouldn't rent a bobcat. It's theirs once a contract is signed. You just back up and step away... and make sure you pay the land owner nicely. I still think they're probably screwing you so shop around before signing.</p>
A good forester wouldn't take out everything over 12". They would only take out about 1/2 of those over 16". The person you're dealing with wants to clear-cut. That would be reaaalllyyy bad as you don't have regenerative growth.</p>
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As I mentioned before, GET ON THE SAME PAGE FOR MEASURING BOARD FEET. They're out to make a buck and screw you. He's measuring a way that is a lot different that what you see. You're being cut short.</p>
I wouldn't rent a bobcat. It's theirs once a contract is signed. You just back up and step away... and make sure you pay the land owner nicely. I still think they're probably screwing you so shop around before signing.</p>
A good forester wouldn't take out everything over 12". They would only take out about 1/2 of those over 16". The person you're dealing with wants to clear-cut. That would be reaaalllyyy bad as you don't have regenerative growth.</p>
More later but I'm tired....</p>
acually every tree on the property has to go the guy wants them all gone so he can do other things with the land. as for as the bobcat i need something to drag them logs out to the front with my rhino ain't gonna do it.lol. i wish they would buy all the cypress trees but they have a size limit so the rest will get burned or i could invest in a chipper and make chips out of them.</p>
Let them bring in the equipment for dragging. The ones they don't want can be strapped onto and ripped out for fun (in a couple minutes with the equipment they'll bring in) or you can cut up easily.</p>
When all is said and done, you'll have stumps. That's when you rent a piece of equipment. Skip the skidsteer (for a week) and get a dozer for a day.</p>
EDIT TO ADD: The tree tops (they take out the trunk, you get the top) will keep you hopping for a year or 5. There's a lot of firewood in the tops.</p>
When all is said and done, you'll have stumps. That's when you rent a piece of equipment. Skip the skidsteer (for a week) and get a dozer for a day.</p>
EDIT TO ADD: The tree tops (they take out the trunk, you get the top) will keep you hopping for a year or 5. There's a lot of firewood in the tops.</p>
D&D Farm
Gold Site Supporter
For me, I would run, not walk away from this deal. $150 per 1000 board feet is totally ripping YOU off and YOU are doing the work. A board foot is a quantity of wood that is 1 inch X 12" X 12". Think 1"x12"x1000 feet for what he is giving you $150 for. Out of a 12" cypress one may get 50 feet; but I bet with rot and knots you will get like 30.</p>
RUN................Good luck.......Dennis</p>
RUN................Good luck.......Dennis</p>
Hi Tommy, I agree with Bczoom. A logging company should have a skidder which is a lot different than a skid steer as it has huge tires and can go thru mud and over brush a lot better than the skid steer. There will be a lot of limbs and brush that could be cleaned up in a fraction of the time with a dozer.. Maybe see what the crew would pay with them doing it all but what you wanted. I hate to see clear cutting , but then it's not my land. Also make sure what is expected as far as cleaning up the land after they leave so you will know if a dozer is feasible. Just don't get left holding the bag. We had a 150 + yr old bodac blown down in the front yard several years ago by a tornado and just it's trunk weighed 5200 lbs. Also you might could check the La farm bulletin for people buying cypress. Take care of that neck.... Bordercollie</p>
Tommy, I went back and reread your post. You are doing all the work Cutting trees and topping them then dragging them that tall is dangerous, and if the wind decides to blow the wrong way we may be short a good forum member. Maybe you could take bids on the standing timber as is and get your money up front.. Just be sure before you take this up, what you are responsible for from the landowner. And remember "never trust nobody" completely... Good luck, Bordercollie</p>
i'm doing the cutting and my dad and oldest son are loading it up . i also do the splitting because it's fairly easy i just sit down and pull the lever. now the tree cutting is a bit of a butt-pucker for me because i sure can't run and i ain't the best tree downer .lol so far all the trees i have cut have fallen away from me and i have been watchin that swamp logger show and i have been takin in their info on how to down a tree. now one of the biggest pains was my old saw sure it cut like it was new but that thing vibrated so much i felt like i was gonna fall apart after cutting with it . i went out and got me another saw it's a 18" craftsman and this thing is nice because it has a shock absorber built into the handle and not one hint of vibration makes it to my hands. you never know what new fetures these things got til you go lookin at them.i wanted to get a stihl but man that thing weighed a ton and it had no absorber on it so that saw was out plus they wanted almost 300.00 for it and i got my craftsman for 200.00 even . one day i'll have me one of them handwarmer saws that onfoot got. now to the funny part you should see me cut a tree down i'm so jiterouse that i knotch one side and then i start my cut on the other side but as soon as i see any movement in the tree i take off my dad thinks it's funny and keeps yelling at me to cut more it's not done yet.lmao another thing thats kinda bad is it's swamp so there is no sure footing to any of the ground under your feet </p>
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i wish i could just sub it out but the guy who owns the property doesn't want any big trucks on it so i am limited to what i can use. the property belongs to the former sheriff's brother who is good friends with my dad. he also has other property to that he wants cleared but i can only do one at a time. i wish i had never sold my hpx now man i need a good workin utv that rhino is like a cadilac it ride smooth and will take you though anything but it won't haul a load .maybe if things work out i can see about a bota there surely isn'yt a wood supply shortage thats for sure. hopefully something will workout and i can find me a permanant place to call a hobby or work home.</p>
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i wish i could just sub it out but the guy who owns the property doesn't want any big trucks on it so i am limited to what i can use. the property belongs to the former sheriff's brother who is good friends with my dad. he also has other property to that he wants cleared but i can only do one at a time. i wish i had never sold my hpx now man i need a good workin utv that rhino is like a cadilac it ride smooth and will take you though anything but it won't haul a load .maybe if things work out i can see about a bota there surely isn'yt a wood supply shortage thats for sure. hopefully something will workout and i can find me a permanant place to call a hobby or work home.</p>
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Hi Tommy, I agree with Bczoom. A logging company should have a skidder which is a lot different than a skid steer as it has huge tires and can go thru mud and over brush a lot better than the skid steer. There will be a lot of limbs and brush that could be cleaned up in a fraction of the time with a dozer.. Maybe see what the crew would pay with them doing it all but what you wanted. I hate to see clear cutting , but then it's not my land. Also make sure what is expected as far as cleaning up the land after they leave so you will know if a dozer is feasible. Just don't get left holding the bag. We had a 150 + yr old bodac blown down in the front yard several years ago by a tornado and just it's trunk weighed 5200 lbs. Also you might could check the La farm bulletin for people buying cypress. Take care of that neck.... Bordercollie</p>
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as for as cleanup goes he said to cut them all down and burn them??? i had to ask my dad 5 times if he's sure he wants to clear them all out bfore i cut that huge live oak but the guy said everything has to go the funny thing is it's swamp and he really can't do much with the property unless he raises it .as for as the neck thats my main concern i try to keep it lite and simple thats why i wanted to rent a bobcat to do most lifting . the guy owns a tractor and said we could use it too if we needed and we just might take him up on the offer. it's about 500 yrds to where i cut the trees to where they would have to load them so i have to cut and move them that far . i figure ifi can get them on my trailer i can haul them to the front with the tractor and trailer and use the bobcat on tracks to get them out the wet stuff.</p>
Hi Tommy, I agree with Bczoom. A logging company should have a skidder which is a lot different than a skid steer as it has huge tires and can go thru mud and over brush a lot better than the skid steer. There will be a lot of limbs and brush that could be cleaned up in a fraction of the time with a dozer.. Maybe see what the crew would pay with them doing it all but what you wanted. I hate to see clear cutting , but then it's not my land. Also make sure what is expected as far as cleaning up the land after they leave so you will know if a dozer is feasible. Just don't get left holding the bag. We had a 150 + yr old bodac blown down in the front yard several years ago by a tornado and just it's trunk weighed 5200 lbs. Also you might could check the La farm bulletin for people buying cypress. Take care of that neck.... Bordercollie</p>
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as for as cleanup goes he said to cut them all down and burn them??? i had to ask my dad 5 times if he's sure he wants to clear them all out bfore i cut that huge live oak but the guy said everything has to go the funny thing is it's swamp and he really can't do much with the property unless he raises it .as for as the neck thats my main concern i try to keep it lite and simple thats why i wanted to rent a bobcat to do most lifting . the guy owns a tractor and said we could use it too if we needed and we just might take him up on the offer. it's about 500 yrds to where i cut the trees to where they would have to load them so i have to cut and move them that far . i figure ifi can get them on my trailer i can haul them to the front with the tractor and trailer and use the bobcat on tracks to get them out the wet stuff.</p>
i have to check into the prices around here i'm gonna cut all the trees down and see how many goodones i have and if they are more on the hollow side then i'll just burn them all and not worry about the lumber i won't know how good the wood is til i cut into the tree so it's a waiting game i'll check a few more places to see if they have a better price.[quote user="D&D Farm"]</p>
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For me, I would run, not walk away from this deal. $150 per 1000 board feet is totally ripping YOU off and YOU are doing the work. A board foot is a quantity of wood that is 1 inch X 12" X 12". Think 1"x12"x1000 feet for what he is giving you $150 for. Out of a 12" cypress one may get 50 feet; but I bet with rot and knots you will get like 30.</p>
RUN................Good luck.......Dennis</p>
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For me, I would run, not walk away from this deal. $150 per 1000 board feet is totally ripping YOU off and YOU are doing the work. A board foot is a quantity of wood that is 1 inch X 12" X 12". Think 1"x12"x1000 feet for what he is giving you $150 for. Out of a 12" cypress one may get 50 feet; but I bet with rot and knots you will get like 30.</p>
RUN................Good luck.......Dennis</p>
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I'm old so I'm processing my wood in a slightly easier fashion.</p>
Watch the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvpcxfErvLQ</p>
I'm old so I'm processing my wood in a slightly easier fashion.</p>
Watch the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvpcxfErvLQ</p>
oldforester
Member
Tommy, I've been reading these posts with some interest and I feel like I should jump into the mix with some ideas. I've worked with a lot of owners, loggers and sawmills and they all have their own perspectiveon how a logging job should procede from start to finish. I know that you are already working hard on this but maybe I can still help a little.</p>
1) Make sure you know what the owner is expecting. You are working on his property and I suspect you are working without a written contract (a lot of jobs unfortunately are done this way), There are some liabilty issues that can be cleared up with a contract. He has an idea of what the land should look like when the job is done <span style="text-decoration: underline;">and</span> during the job, you don't want to get run off because he sees a mess during the job that you can fix later. If you can't/won't get him to sign a contract you can still go ahead but remember you are at some risk both financialy and reputation wise (I know you have heard of cut and runloggers who leave a mess for the landowner). People driving by may tell him that you are tearing up his land and without a contract he may agree with them. With a simple piece of paper you can get him to write down what he wants upfront.</p>
2) I know that you are not equipped to do the entire job yourself, you can get around this by hiring/renting the necessary equipment but be aware that someone has to pay for it. If the owner expects any income from this job you both should agree on how the expense/income is going to be divided. If a logging company does the whole job, does the owner really need you? If the owner wants you to handle it and keep all the income then you make the decisions.</p>
3)Without knowing how the ground lies and how many trees are involved, here are a couple of ways to move the wood and get the job smoothed over when done. A skidder or forwardercan for sure move the trees to the loading area quickly, then a dozer can smooth out the ground. A dozer alone can do both jobs, just slower on moving the logs. Six acres doesn't sound like much but when the job requires a lot of stems to be cut (clear-cut) you are talking about a lot of merchantable and unmerchantable trees to be felled. Bad for the back!</p>
4) I tell my students that the guy who fells the trees and the guy who bucks them into logs have the greatest impact on how much money is made or lost on a job. Most of the value of the stand is contained in 10% or less of the trees standing there on a typical woods. If you think a tree contains sawmill material get it to the deck in as long a log as possible, stack them in one location and have several mills look at them. Then they can buck them thelengths they desire. </p>
If you are going to cut the trees yourself I wish that you would check out this website: www.memic.com It contains a lot of useful information and take a look at the open notch-bore method of felling a tree. I know it will seem strange at first, all the old cutters have used the notch and back cut way for years but this way gives you a lot better control of the tree and is much safer. You need to practice it on a few small pole size trees but it will work on any tree that is sound and not hollow. All the new felling schools are teaching it now butmany of the older fellers are reluctant to change. I've known several fellers to be killed or injured so be careful which ever way you go.</p>
One laststatement, I usually recommend selling standing timber on a sealed bid basis, that way the owner knowswhat he is getting upfront. Let me know if I can help in any way, all except driving down there to rub your back, unless you can put my wife and kids up for the rest of the winter. Good Luck!</p>
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1) Make sure you know what the owner is expecting. You are working on his property and I suspect you are working without a written contract (a lot of jobs unfortunately are done this way), There are some liabilty issues that can be cleared up with a contract. He has an idea of what the land should look like when the job is done <span style="text-decoration: underline;">and</span> during the job, you don't want to get run off because he sees a mess during the job that you can fix later. If you can't/won't get him to sign a contract you can still go ahead but remember you are at some risk both financialy and reputation wise (I know you have heard of cut and runloggers who leave a mess for the landowner). People driving by may tell him that you are tearing up his land and without a contract he may agree with them. With a simple piece of paper you can get him to write down what he wants upfront.</p>
2) I know that you are not equipped to do the entire job yourself, you can get around this by hiring/renting the necessary equipment but be aware that someone has to pay for it. If the owner expects any income from this job you both should agree on how the expense/income is going to be divided. If a logging company does the whole job, does the owner really need you? If the owner wants you to handle it and keep all the income then you make the decisions.</p>
3)Without knowing how the ground lies and how many trees are involved, here are a couple of ways to move the wood and get the job smoothed over when done. A skidder or forwardercan for sure move the trees to the loading area quickly, then a dozer can smooth out the ground. A dozer alone can do both jobs, just slower on moving the logs. Six acres doesn't sound like much but when the job requires a lot of stems to be cut (clear-cut) you are talking about a lot of merchantable and unmerchantable trees to be felled. Bad for the back!</p>
4) I tell my students that the guy who fells the trees and the guy who bucks them into logs have the greatest impact on how much money is made or lost on a job. Most of the value of the stand is contained in 10% or less of the trees standing there on a typical woods. If you think a tree contains sawmill material get it to the deck in as long a log as possible, stack them in one location and have several mills look at them. Then they can buck them thelengths they desire. </p>
If you are going to cut the trees yourself I wish that you would check out this website: www.memic.com It contains a lot of useful information and take a look at the open notch-bore method of felling a tree. I know it will seem strange at first, all the old cutters have used the notch and back cut way for years but this way gives you a lot better control of the tree and is much safer. You need to practice it on a few small pole size trees but it will work on any tree that is sound and not hollow. All the new felling schools are teaching it now butmany of the older fellers are reluctant to change. I've known several fellers to be killed or injured so be careful which ever way you go.</p>
One laststatement, I usually recommend selling standing timber on a sealed bid basis, that way the owner knowswhat he is getting upfront. Let me know if I can help in any way, all except driving down there to rub your back, unless you can put my wife and kids up for the rest of the winter. Good Luck!</p>
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thanks for the info forester as for as a deal with the land owner it's a get it done by christmas of next year or the dozer gets it .lol he already had ran a dozer though the property and cleared out alot of trees and piled them up the only trees left standing are oak and cypress and he was about to run them down and pile them up too .but my dad asked if we could have the trees for wood and such and the guy said ok take whatever you want just rememebr that whatever you don't have out by next holiday seasonis gonna be dozed and burned. cutting the trees i hope will give me alot of practice so i can take out 8/9 pine trees on my lot .i hope the cypress trees are in good shape to sell because i really hate to waist a tree atleast the others will be used for firewood and not just piled up and burned.i'm not gonna rent any equipment until i have all the trees downed and i see what shape their in . if they are all in good shape then i'll rentsomething to get them out other wise they will get burned in the piles. </p>
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i know what you mean about back aches and to think my dada wanted to use the splitter in the horizontal position and have me lift the logs !DAT MAN PLUM CRAZY!! i do have a new found respect for loggers though.</p>
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i know what you mean about back aches and to think my dada wanted to use the splitter in the horizontal position and have me lift the logs !DAT MAN PLUM CRAZY!! i do have a new found respect for loggers though.</p>
oldforester
Member
Sorry for trying to make it more complicated than what you got going on there. Maybe the info may help some other 'bota ownerdown the road. </p>
You'll know when you startcutting the bigger trees if you have fire damage in the butts, if it's not already obvious, you may still take off the lower part of the bole and get something other than firewood. If it is only firewood it sounds like you got a bunch of work to do. Take a look at that method of cutting down a tree and try it, let me know what you think. </p>
You'll know when you startcutting the bigger trees if you have fire damage in the butts, if it's not already obvious, you may still take off the lower part of the bole and get something other than firewood. If it is only firewood it sounds like you got a bunch of work to do. Take a look at that method of cutting down a tree and try it, let me know what you think. </p>
doggman
Member
Tommy - Here in the Ozarks the days of $150 timber is gone - for now. $100 is now the norm for oak that's headed to pallet mills. You might get a little better if you have 30"+ white oakfor barrel staves or a good tie log.Maybe, just maybe, if you have a perfect grade log you can do better - if you can find a grade log buyer. In my hardscrabble county logging and mining are the two biggest industries. </p>
Here's why. Since our manufacturing base has dried up pallets are not in demand. Not much freight is moving. Plus, with all the worry about bad insects, a lot of big companies need certificated pallets that are bug free. I have to deal with that issue. Plastic is better for big companies and export. </p>
Nobody is buying good new furniture, home building is down (no new cabinets), so there goes your grade logs. </p>
The largest stave maker in the US shut their mill near our place because the barrel industry is in the gutter. The rich aren't buying as much good wine and bourbon...</p>
I stoppedchopping firewood because I get it split and stacked for $25 to $30 a rank. I know those guys are barely making it so I tip the guy that cuts for me. </p>
There's a company nearby that makes over 50% of the resaws (pallet,etc.) in the US. One of their reps was in Russia and he said the amount of standing timber there is astonishing.</p>
The only time I ever used cypress was for submerged applications and it was expensive. </p>
bczoom has a good point - make sure you're on the same page for the board feet. There are two different scales that are used so make sure you get that straight right off the bat. </p>
And the last thing is the split - are you going 50 - 50? Get that straight ahead of time, too. </p>
So depending on the deal $150 is not bad. If I was selling hardwoodtimber here (I'm in no rush to sell) I'd take the price these days. </p>
Good luck! </p>
Here's why. Since our manufacturing base has dried up pallets are not in demand. Not much freight is moving. Plus, with all the worry about bad insects, a lot of big companies need certificated pallets that are bug free. I have to deal with that issue. Plastic is better for big companies and export. </p>
Nobody is buying good new furniture, home building is down (no new cabinets), so there goes your grade logs. </p>
The largest stave maker in the US shut their mill near our place because the barrel industry is in the gutter. The rich aren't buying as much good wine and bourbon...</p>
I stoppedchopping firewood because I get it split and stacked for $25 to $30 a rank. I know those guys are barely making it so I tip the guy that cuts for me. </p>
There's a company nearby that makes over 50% of the resaws (pallet,etc.) in the US. One of their reps was in Russia and he said the amount of standing timber there is astonishing.</p>
The only time I ever used cypress was for submerged applications and it was expensive. </p>
bczoom has a good point - make sure you're on the same page for the board feet. There are two different scales that are used so make sure you get that straight right off the bat. </p>
And the last thing is the split - are you going 50 - 50? Get that straight ahead of time, too. </p>
So depending on the deal $150 is not bad. If I was selling hardwoodtimber here (I'm in no rush to sell) I'd take the price these days. </p>
Good luck! </p>
it's not to complicated i really like all the info i'm getting from you guys .what i might have to do is cut them down and have the guy come look at them and give me a written price before i haul anything out. if it's not worth it then i might try to find something else for the cypress trees i just hate to waist good wood. as for as split you mean shareing with the owner?? if so he gets nuthing i get all the cash from the wood and he gets the trees gone off his land. the way i'm going to do it with the firewood is i take 3/4 of the pay for me being i done allthe investing and i give my dad a a few dollars for helping or i give him free firewood.the cypress trees are in demand down here because the guys build skiffs and trawlers with it. now the oak is mainly a firewood thing unless you come across a huge oak tree like my buddy had a few years ago.</p>