From what I was told. ITP 589's has been discountinued....
RTV & Tires
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From what I was told. ITP 589's has been discountinued....
yeah, fellows, I had already been through the issue of tire diameter with pi and all that good stuff. i have the the same labeled size tires (25x11-12) and can adjust pressure to get same diameter (there was only a theoretical 1/2" difference). I was just asking about load. Thanks for the good discussion though. Besides, Two Guns stated what I wanted to hear. : )
Well Wheezer,
Being having multiple degree's in engineering myself, I am surprised you would run those tire's.
They are not even RTV rated, being a 455 lb load rating and your machine weigh's 2000 lb's and has a 1000 lb + load capacity.
My one set of tire's Kenda bounty hunter's XTR radial's are rated at 1150 lbs which meet's the criteria easy.
My road tires are BF Goodrich TA Radial's P245/60R14 with a load rating of 1753 lbs. Both set's of tires are mounted on aluminum wheel's.
I have several pic's of my machine on the forum.
I guess I get to technical for you guy's and believe in doing thing's right.
I'll just sit on the sideline's.
Being having multiple degree's in engineering myself, I am surprised you would run those tire's.
They are not even RTV rated, being a 455 lb load rating and your machine weigh's 2000 lb's and has a 1000 lb + load capacity.
My one set of tire's Kenda bounty hunter's XTR radial's are rated at 1150 lbs which meet's the criteria easy.
My road tires are BF Goodrich TA Radial's P245/60R14 with a load rating of 1753 lbs. Both set's of tires are mounted on aluminum wheel's.
I have several pic's of my machine on the forum.
I guess I get to technical for you guy's and believe in doing thing's right.
I'll just sit on the sideline's.
Well, ZZZ2D1, I don't like to flaunt it but I do have a Master of Engineering degree myself. Read back over the posts on this topic and you will likely discover why an Engineer might have an RTV with two odd tires on it. : )
Don't sit on the sidelines. I like a good healthy argument ...er, I mean discussion.
Don't sit on the sidelines. I like a good healthy argument ...er, I mean discussion.
I saw that, you asked if it was ok - I provided my opinion with over 40 yrs in powertrain's and aviation products.
I would not run 2 different tire's with 2 different pressure rating's that are under rated period - again that is my opinion, which I believe you asked for.
I am very picky and do things right - Data and specification's are for a reason.
I would not run 2 different tire's with 2 different pressure rating's that are under rated period - again that is my opinion, which I believe you asked for.
I am very picky and do things right - Data and specification's are for a reason.
KOBE,
YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. And you DID insert in the proper place.
YOU did nothing wrong.
I can guarantee you that you have NOT annoyed any true member here. You just keep posting just as normal.
And don't you worry about anything. We all are here to learn and voice our opinions.......... jamie
I might join in on the fun here. after reading the post I see a few things wrong first thing is never ever run the same tire width on any off road utv or atv you'll only get stuck. you want your back tire wider than the front that way after your front tire has dug a rut your back tire will still have something to bite on. I run 26" tires with 10's in the front and 12's in the rear. I go through ruts that guys with 30" tires get stuck insimply because I run short fat tires.when I had my hpx I ran 27"589's with about 20psi most of the time and when in deep mud I ran them with little to nothing in them so I wouldn't float and had a wider foot print on the ground.as for as load rating goes if a tire has a load rating of lets say 500lbs then you can safely say that that tire can easily support atleast 800lbs being in the fabrication business we always test something we make at twice the limit it's suppose to hold just to make sure the part will hold up .cranes is the most downrated of them all .a 500 ton crane can easily pickup 1000 tons but to make sure it doesn't fail we down rate it by half.my hpx had a bed load of 1000 lbs but I always had way over that in the bed and also pulled a 16' double axle trailer with over 5000lbs on it the 589's held up and so did the hpx now I did bend the receiver but hey I got a torch and welding machine to take care of that. as for as tire size and having all tires the same meaning 26" all the way around that's some what true and somewhat false. the reason i'm saying this is .from all the years of off roading the front tires would become nearly bald on most of my atv's and utv's but the rear would always have good tread left that would make the diameter of the tires different by atleast an inch if not more. we never had any problems with it destroying the differentials of any other parts on the machines. the only thing I could see that it would hurt is maybe if you ran down a highway at 70 in 4x4 it won't hurt it but as for as off roading goes you will never see high speeds high enough to damage anything an secondly if your in 4x4 mode your tires are slipping in the mud and not getting full traction like you would be if your on dry ground or pavement. to prove this you just have to look at a tractor .a 4x4 tractor has a huge rear tire and the front is really small if this would cause damage then every tractor out there should be broke down but their not why ? because like I said they don't turn enough of a high speed to do any damage and the 4x4 is only used when in the mud.so the myth about diferent tires is true and false it just depends on what and where your driving. well got to get to work i'll chime in later if I can.oh as for as the challenge that zzz2d1 made i'll take that challenge anytime.lol. them kenda's won't get you through the easy stuff down here.i had a buddy with them on a Suzuki atv and we had to pull him up and through the slick stuff and also the sticky stuff. them kenda's are good for trail riding on dry ground anything else they just have no bite and get clogged up fastand with the lugs so close they don't clean out.i now run outlaws on my rhino they climb over anythingand get me through just about anything.when in deep water I pump them up to about 20psi and in the mud I let all the air out for the biggest footprint I can get.
KOBE,
YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. And you DID insert in the proper place.
YOU did nothing wrong.
I can guarantee you that you have NOT annoyed any true member here. You just keep posting just as normal.
......... jamie
Kobe, I'm with old time member Two Guns, Contrary to my official member date which got mixed up when the site changed over, I have been a member since February of 2005- the month I bought my first RTV. In all those years, Us oldsters like to treat our friends with respect. Don't be disheartened. We are proud of you being here and would do 'bout anything for you- because we like you... how many forums have members that will say that!
, collieYes, they were from Robin at All Terraine (Super American family outfit) I packed a lot of wood today and with 15 PSI they were great. 10" front and 12" rear. I agree with peanut that a bit wider in the back keeps you out of your front tires ruts. It also helps with a little lighter steering input. That was a big deal before we had power steering. After quite a few years of off road running in the mud I found that wide tires would not work.
The best rig I ever had had Gleason Duel Drives (Lockers) front and rear and you could not stop it. It had 8" by 36 " Grip Spurs" on it. I think I pulled out just about every rig in southern Or. Now sand, and of course Two Guns swamps, would be a totally different matter. You gotta work with what you got.
The best rig I ever had had Gleason Duel Drives (Lockers) front and rear and you could not stop it. It had 8" by 36 " Grip Spurs" on it. I think I pulled out just about every rig in southern Or. Now sand, and of course Two Guns swamps, would be a totally different matter. You gotta work with what you got.
Two Guns, My dad spent a lot of his early life down in your country hunting and fishing(Mostly market duck hunting) he related a lot of good stories about him and his buddies, one of which was about his partner losing most of his hand to a big turtle. Now my pappy never lied to me that I know of, but I thought he had maybe stretched that one a little. Afer looking at your photo, I think I believe it now.~~~~~KOBE
you can believe that story for sure them alligator snapping turtles are nothing nice. you have to watch how you deal with them. their neck is so long that it can still bite you even if your hands are by his back legs.we used to play with them when we would catch them we would see just how big of a stick they could snap and from the size of the one twoguns posted he can easily snap a 2" branch easy and i'm not talking about him twisting the branch I mean he can snap it clean like a press brake.there are lots of people down here with missing fingers and toes because of them. they live in the mud and when we would go swim in the ponds and bayous you could feel them when you walk on the bottom and trust me that's a scary feeling just about as scary as spooking a gator off the bottom when swimming.speaking of gators this is just how stupid people get .
I was installing a insert on the side of a barge the other day the little work barge I was laying on to weld it was 4'x10' we have a 12"flatbar welded on the center part and we call it the gator wall .well on each side of the wall on the ends of the barge there is a 4'x'4 section that doesn't have the wall and the barge one sits out of the water maybe 2". the barge I was repairing was going out for a job the next day so they made a grocery run .now this is where the fun began. while I was laying down outside the gator wall welding this stupid deckhand decides he is gonna throw out all the old meat from the freezers i'm sure you guys can see where this is going right? well I had to get a few more rods so I sat up and lifted my welding shield only to see the deckhand throwing steaks /groundmeat/prokchops and just about every other kind of meat over the side some of wich was landing on my work barge.before I could say anything he motions for me to look at something. this fool and that's a nice word to call him was chumming the water all around my barge with raw meat and he points to the water and laughs .I turn around only to see a 8' gator in the water just chomping down on the fresh meal.i told the guy to stop and he asked "whats wrong you scared "?.normally gators don't bother me but when you start a feeding frenzy and i'm down at water level hell yea i'm scared.i gave him some choice words and went back welding .well I lifted up my shield to find the gator about 2' from me just sitting there looking at me so I stood up and he backed off.this went on for over an hour he would come close and I would stand and he would back off. that dumb deckhand comes back out and asked if it would be ok to just throw it further out I told asked him what part of don't feed the f^$$^ gators don't you understand? I told him you see that 8' footer he said yea I told him that's the baby there is two more in the slip one is atleast 9' maybe 10' and the big daddy is topping 11'. he said wow I didn't know and said sorry my bad.he left and the gator stayed by then I done cleaned off all the meat on the barge but the gator just stayed there playing marco polo with me til I found out what he was waiting for a prok or beef roast had become lodged in between my barge and the big barge. I took a paddle and got it out and chunked it to him after he ate that he soon lefti was glad the other two didn't show up.the deckhand was from Indiana and didn't know nothing about them. we all explained to him later that it's not a good idea to feed them because then they lose the fear of humans and when that happens it's not good.a gator can reackh out the water straight up into the air half his body length so me being at water level I was in a deadly spot for sure.8' gator I can deal with but when they are bigger than that you can't fight them they are just to strong.
I was installing a insert on the side of a barge the other day the little work barge I was laying on to weld it was 4'x10' we have a 12"flatbar welded on the center part and we call it the gator wall .well on each side of the wall on the ends of the barge there is a 4'x'4 section that doesn't have the wall and the barge one sits out of the water maybe 2". the barge I was repairing was going out for a job the next day so they made a grocery run .now this is where the fun began. while I was laying down outside the gator wall welding this stupid deckhand decides he is gonna throw out all the old meat from the freezers i'm sure you guys can see where this is going right? well I had to get a few more rods so I sat up and lifted my welding shield only to see the deckhand throwing steaks /groundmeat/prokchops and just about every other kind of meat over the side some of wich was landing on my work barge.before I could say anything he motions for me to look at something. this fool and that's a nice word to call him was chumming the water all around my barge with raw meat and he points to the water and laughs .I turn around only to see a 8' gator in the water just chomping down on the fresh meal.i told the guy to stop and he asked "whats wrong you scared "?.normally gators don't bother me but when you start a feeding frenzy and i'm down at water level hell yea i'm scared.i gave him some choice words and went back welding .well I lifted up my shield to find the gator about 2' from me just sitting there looking at me so I stood up and he backed off.this went on for over an hour he would come close and I would stand and he would back off. that dumb deckhand comes back out and asked if it would be ok to just throw it further out I told asked him what part of don't feed the f^$$^ gators don't you understand? I told him you see that 8' footer he said yea I told him that's the baby there is two more in the slip one is atleast 9' maybe 10' and the big daddy is topping 11'. he said wow I didn't know and said sorry my bad.he left and the gator stayed by then I done cleaned off all the meat on the barge but the gator just stayed there playing marco polo with me til I found out what he was waiting for a prok or beef roast had become lodged in between my barge and the big barge. I took a paddle and got it out and chunked it to him after he ate that he soon lefti was glad the other two didn't show up.the deckhand was from Indiana and didn't know nothing about them. we all explained to him later that it's not a good idea to feed them because then they lose the fear of humans and when that happens it's not good.a gator can reackh out the water straight up into the air half his body length so me being at water level I was in a deadly spot for sure.8' gator I can deal with but when they are bigger than that you can't fight them they are just to strong.
My dad loved your state Peanut, but I think I'll just deal with my bears and rattlesnakes. My neighbor killed a 504 lb. black bear a couple of years ago that was trashing my place and he was no longer afraid of me or my dog. He would just stand up and snap his teeth at you. I had given him a dose of ,410 in the butt a few weeks before, and then had to run to the house for somethin bigger. The State cop that skinned him later found some of that #6 shot. That is a really big black for our part of the country.~~~~KOBE
these pic was taken about a month ago.i dug the rut with my rhino going back and forth through it then I decided to try 2 wheel drive and well it didn't go as planed so I had to get pulled out.don't think them bear claws would even come close to makin it through this.thats me in the welding shirt standing in the rut.my son is in the pink shirt.
