Can you ID this Deere?

[Oldcartrader]

Hiding behind this cheesy front end loader is a four cylinder, gas powered, six speed John Deere tractor. Would anyone have an idea what the model series is? Perhaps what vintage?

I've repacked the bucket cylinders, all the lines have been replaced. Sometimes, the lift and dump work fine, but most often slow, and the lines chatter and shake. It's as if the pump is unloading. Fluid is full with the bucket all the way out and the three point up. Filter has been changed. I'm getting 2000psi at the remotes, strikes me as low, any ideas?

Anyone know where the relief valve is?

 

[Doc]

Hmmm I had saved a list of JD serial numbers I found quite a few years ago but your number is not in that list. Strange. I'll post the list here but I searched with a text finder and know that 285 is not there.


John Deere Serial Numbers
Year and Serial first number

GP (STANDARD)
1928 200111
1929 202566
1930 216139
1931 224321
1932 228666
1933 229051
1934 229216
1935 230515

GP (WIDE TREAD)
1929 400000
1930 400936
1931 402741
1932 404770
1933 405110

GP-0
1931 15000
1932 15226
1933 15387
1934 15412
1935 15589

MODEL A
1934 410000
1935 412866
1936 424025
1937 442151
1938 466787
1939 477000
1940 488852
1941 500849
1942 514127
1943 523133
1944 528778
1945 548352
1946 558817
1947 578516
1948 594433
1949 620843
1950 646530
1951 667390
1952 689880

MODEL AO (STYLED)
1937 AO-1000
1938 AO-1539
1939 AO-1725
1940 AO-1801

MODEL AO/AR
1936 250000
1937 253521
1938 255416
1939 257004
1940 258045
1941 260000
1942 261558
1943 262243
1944 263223
1945 264738
1946 265870
1947 267082
1948 268877
1949 270646
1950 272985
1951 276078
1952 279772
1953 282551

MODEL B
1935 1000
1936 12012
1937 27389
1938 46175
1939 60000
1940 81600
1941 98711
1942 126345
1943 143420
1944 152862
1945 173179
1946 183673
1947 199744
1948 215055
1949 237346
1950 258205
1951 276557
1952 299175

MODEL BR/BO
1936 325000
1937 326655
1938 328111
1939 329000
1940 330633
1941 332039
1942 332427
1943 332780
1944 333156
1945 334219
1946 335641
1947 336746

MODEL D
1924 30401
1925 31280
1926 35309
1927 43410
1928 54554
1929 71561
1930 95367
1931 109944
1932 115477
1933 115665
1934 116273
1935 119100
1936 125430
1937 130700
1938 138413
1939 143800
1940 146586
1941 149500
1942 152840
1943 155005
1944 155426
1945 159888
1946 162598
1947 167205
1948 174879
1949 183420
1950 183516
1951 189701
1952 191180
1953 191439

MODEL G
1938 1000
1939 7734
1940 9321
1941 10489
1942 12059
1943 12941-12999 Unstyled
1943 13000 Styled
1944 13748
1945 13905
1946 16694
1947 20527
1948 28127
1949 34587
1950 40761
1951 47194
1952 56510
1953 63489

MODEL H
1939 1000
1940 10780
1941 23654
1942 40995
1943 44755
1944 47796
1945 48392
1946 55956
1947 60107

MODEL L
1937 621000
1938 621079-624999 Unstyled
1938 625000 Styled
1939 626265
1940 630160
1941 634191
1942 640000
1943 640738
1944 641038
1945 641538
1946 641958

MODEL LA
1941 1001
1942 5361
1943 6029
1944 6159
1945 9732
1946 11529

MODEL M
1947 10001
1948 13734
1949 25604
1950 35659
1951 43525
1952 50580

MODEL MT
1949 10001
1950 18544
1951 26203
1952 35845

MODEL R
1949 1000
1950 3541
1951 5505
1952 10725
1953 15720
1954 19485

MODEL 40 Hi-Crop
1954 60001
1955 60060

MODEL 40 Utility
1953 60001
1954 60022
1955 63140

MODEL 40 2-Row Utility
1955 60001

MODEL 40 Spec
1955 60001

MODEL 40 Std.
1953 60001
1954 67359
1955 69474

MODEL 40 Tri.
1953 60001
1954 72167
1955 75131

MODEL 50
1952 5000001
1953 5001254
1954 5016041
1955 5021977
1956 5030600

MODEL 60
1952 6000001
1953 6007694
1954 6027995
1955 6042500
1956 6057650

MODEL 7O
1953 7000001
1954 7006692
1955 7017501
1956 7034950

MODEL 80
1955 8000001
1956 8000775

320
1956 320001
1957 321220
1958 325127

330 STD & 330
1958 330001
1959 330171
1960 330935

420
1956 80001
1957 107813
1958 127782

430
1958 140001
1959 142671
1960 158632

435-D
1959 435001
1960 437655

520
1956 5200000
1957 5202982
1958 5209029

530
1958 5300000
1959 5301671
1960 5307749

620
1956 6200000
1957 6203778
1958 6215049

620 ORCHARD
1958 6211100
1959 6223030
1960 6223211

630
1958 6300000
1959 6302749
1960 6314381

720
1956 7200000
1957 7203420
1958 7217368

730
1958 7300000
1959 7303761
1960 7322075

820
1956 8200000
1957 8200565
1958 8203850

830 - 2 Cylinder
1958 8300000
1959 8300727
1960 8305301

820 - 3 Cylinder
1968 10000
1969 23100
1970 36000
1971 54000
1972 71850
1973 90200

830 - 3 Cylinder
1974 109507
1975 145500

840
1958 8400000
1959 8400033
1960 8400619

1020
1965 14501
1966 14682
1967 42715
1968 65184
1969 82409
1970 102038
1971 117500
1972 134700
1973 157109

1520
1968 76112
1969 82405
1970 102061
1971 117500
1972 134700
1973 157109

1530
1974 178601T
1974 108811L
1975 145500L

2020
1965 14502
1966 14680
1967 42721
1968 65176
1969 82404
1970 102032
1971 11750

2030
1972 134700T
1973 157109T
1974 187301T
1974 140000L
1975 213350T
1975 145500L

2510
1966 1000
1967 8958
1968 14291

2520
1967 8958
1968 14291
1969 17000
1970 19416
1971 22000
1972 22911
1973 23865

3020
1964 50000
1965 68000
1966 84000
1967 97286
1968 112933
1969 123000
1970 129897
1971 150000
1972 154197

4020
1964 65000
1965 91000
1966 119000
1967 145660
1968 173982
1969 201000
1970 222160
1971 250000
1972 260791

1010
1960 10001
1961 13692
1962 23630
1963 32188
1964 43900
1965 52722

1010 UTILITY
1961 13692
1962 23630
1963 32188
1964 43900
1965 52722

2010
1960 10001
1961 10999
1962 21087
1963 31250
1964 44036
1965 58186

2010 UTILITY
1960 10001
1961 10999
1962 21087
1963 31250
1964 44036
1965 58186

3010
1961 1000
1962 19801
1963 32400

4000
1969 211422
1970 222143
1971 250000
1972 260791

4010
1961 1000
1962 20201
1963 38200

8010-4WD
1959 001
1960 0501
1961 1000

8020-4WD
1960 0001
1961 0251
1962 0501
1963 0751
1964 1000

4025 - Export
1969 211000
1970 222143
1971 250000
1972 260791

4030
1973 1000
1974 6700
1975 10153

4230
1973 1000
1974 13000
1975 22074

4320
1971 6000
1972 17031

4430
1973 1000
1974 17500
1975 33050

4520
1969 1000
1970 7055

4620
1971 10000
1972 13692

4630
1973 1000
1974 7022
1975 11717

5010
1963 1000
1964 4500
1965 8000

5020
1966 12000
1967 15650
1968 20399
1969 24038
1970 26624
1971 30000
1972 30608

6030
1972 33000
1973 33550
1974 34586
1975 35400

7020
1971 1000
1972 2006
1973 2700
1974 3156
1975 3579

7520
1972 1000
1973 1600
1974 3054
1975 4945

8430
1975 1000

8630
1975 1000

CRAWLER MODELS
BO (Lindeman)
1943 332901
1944 333110
1945 333666
1946 335361
1947 336441

MC
1949 10001
1950 11630
1951 13630
1952 16309

40C
1953 60001
1954 63358
1955 66894

420C
1956 80001
1957 107813
1958 127782

430C
1958 140001
1959 142701
1960 158631

1010C
1960 10001
1961 13692
1962 23630
1963 32188
1964 43900
1965 52722

2010C
1960 10001
1961 11000
1962 21087
1963 32250
1964 44036
1965 58186

Serial Numbers at which change from Unstyled to Styled design occurred.
Model A 477000
Model AR 272000
Model B 60000
Model D 143800
Model G 13000
Model L 625000

PULL-TYPE COMBINES

MODEL 25
1954 138749
1955 141541

Model 30
1956 1001
1957 3301
1958 12201
1959 18650
1960 24001

 

[GreenWannabe]

It looks to me like it might be a 3010 Is the serial number in your picture possibly the engine serial number, which are six digits long? The tractor serial number should be on the rear of the transmission case, just below the right-hand hydraulic connectors, and should be five digits long. The hydraulics on those tractors are closed center systems, which I have no knowledge about, so can't help with the relief valve issue, sorry.

You can see information on the 3020 here: http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/6/63-john-deere-3020.html.

 

[Oldcartrader]

Thank you for the list, it may come in handy in the future. How much chance do you think it was built after 1975? It appears to be a 70s tractor, but I'm not so well versed in Deere. The filter housing had a date from 91 cast in it, replaced perhaps?

 

[Doc]

Guessing it must be newer than 1975 or like GWB said, that might be the engine SN and the other one is elsewhere. It sure does not look like a 91 ...but I've been fooled before.

 

[Oldcartrader]

I've been all over it, where would I find a number to ID the tractor itself?

 

[bakerg]

Deifinitely not a 3010, could be something along the lines of a 2020 or 2030. It maybe a Generation II series . Problem is the black John Deere logo on the hood. I think with what looks like yellow paint under the green that is seen in the photo of the serial #, and with the black logo on the hood I think this is an industrial tractor that has been repainted green.

 

[Oldcartrader]

The yellow paint shouldn't be overlooked, thank you for the insight.

 

[bakerg]

Maybe a 401B or something similar.
http://www.tractordata.com/industrial-tractors/000/0/1/18-john-deere-401b.html

 

[bakerg]

The logo on the hood is definitely Industrial but the fenders do not match. Back wheel size is more inclined to be agricultural and the front axles look to be adjustable. I think the Industrial axles were fixed. I would say it is an ag tractor but the hood has been changed. Try looking for the serial # on the right side of the transmission case.

 

[bczoom]

As others mentioned, that appears to be the model/ser # for the engine. Any luck finding the S/N for the tractor itself?

 

[Oldcartrader]

I've been looking under the remotes, under the control valves, and all around the transmission. Part of the frame is covered in the front, so I don't know if something is hiding up there. I'll have another look today.

Otherwise, as I follow the pressure line, I notice something bolted to the side of the transmission, could it be an unloading valve? I assume unloaded fluid would pour right back in to the sump from there.

Also, this round plug just behind the filter on the right side is supposed to have a screen behind it? I've read other posts mentioning it, so I think I'll drain the oil and check it out.

 

[jd110]

The valve bolted to the transmission is the pressure control valve. It acts as a priority valve to assure there is at least 1800 psi available for steering. 2000 psi is low at the remotes. You should have 2250-2350 psi. You can adjust the pressure @ item 29 in the diagram. Loosen the jam nut with a 1" or 1 1/16" wrench and turn in the screw with a screwdriver. Turn it in 1/4 turn at a time until the pressure comes up. Yes the round plug behind the filter is the sump screen. All of the oil will need to be drained to remove the screen.

 

[Oldcartrader]

Screen is clean, and the pressure control valve has been removed, cleaned, and replaced. Called in the part number, and first on the list was a 401B or D, I can't hear well over the phone.

Will now be checking the pressure adjustment on the pump, thanks for the tip. Pressure did strike me as low, I've seen scotch yokes put out more.

It seems to work better, but you can't get full range out of the bucket without it going stupid around midway. Set it on the floor, pivot the bucket, and it seems to work fine with a little load on it. It goes stupid on the way back around.

 

[Oldcartrader]

Also, there's a steady drip from one of the remotes. I pulled the circlip, but the fitting won't slide out of the body. It's held by the lever underneath.

I've assumed the lever is retained by a clip of some sort under the welsh plug on top. Should I go ahead and pop that thing out?

 

[jd110]

It seems to work better, but you can't get full range out of the bucket without it going stupid around midway. Set it on the floor, pivot the bucket, and it seems to work fine with a little load on it. It goes stupid on the way back around.

When you mentioned the fact it gets stupid halfway through the travel, I think I know what is causing this. Since the loder is being operated from the remotes, the oil returning from the loader is being returned to the sump instead of being returned to the pump circuit. This is causing the pump to starve of oil. There is a fix for this. There is a short piece of hose connecting between the remote valves and the rockshaft housing. You need to remove that hose and plug the 2 hose nipples with plugs #2 in diagram. Then on the outside of the outer valve, remove the plug directly opposite of the hose nipples you just removed. Then install fittings #5 & 6 and hose #7 to connect the return oil to the filter cover. If you don't already have a ported filter cover, that will need replacing also. This modification makes a tremendous difference in loader operation.

For your remote coupler leak, Yes remove the welsh plug to access E-clip holding the lever. Once the lever is removed, the spool can be slid out to replace seals.

 

[Oldcartrader]

When you mentioned the fact it gets stupid halfway through the travel, I think I know what is causing this. Since the loder is being operated from the remotes, the oil returning from the loader is being returned to the sump instead of being returned to the pump circuit. This is causing the pump to starve of oil. There is a fix for this. There is a short piece of hose connecting between the remote valves and the rockshaft housing. You need to remove that hose and plug the 2 hose nipples with plugs #2 in diagram. Then on the outside of the outer valve, remove the plug directly opposite of the hose nipples you just removed. Then install fittings #5 & 6 and hose #7 to connect the return oil to the filter cover. If you don't already have a ported filter cover, that will need replacing also. This modification makes a tremendous difference in loader operation.

For your remote coupler leak, Yes remove the welsh plug to access E-clip holding the lever. Once the lever is removed, the spool can be slid out to replace seals.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you again. That makes perfect sense, as the filter and screen were thought to be starving the pump. I do have the ported cover, and what you've described should only take about thirty minutes.

 

[Oldcartrader]

Used the same port off of the valve body with a street L, plugged the lift cover, and routed the return to the filter cover.

Loader works like a champ, remotes were a cinch to reseal. Thanks again for all the helpful replies.

 

[Doc]

Great. Glad you got it fixed.

Good job JD110. Thanks so much for sharing your wealth of knowledge. You were a HUGE help on this one.

 

[bakerg]

Have we figured out the Model # of this John Deere?