weed wiper questions to those who have

aurthuritis

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Howdy

I am looking to get a weed wiper for my pastures. i know collie and some others have experience with these and i would appreciate any comments or advice you may have before i purchase. also does anyone have any application rates they would advise? i would like some advice on how many acres per hour or day you get with these and how does the RTV hold up in long days pulling one. might want to include any boom less sprayer advice for the rtv as well. I will be pulling a 15 foot if i can get one that big with an 1100c or an X1100c

Thanks
 
Hi Aurthuritis, What are you wanting to wipe in your pastures? What state are you in? Some chemicals aren't available in every state.
The weed wiper is good for areas where you can't spray such as by crops.
I use Round up at 50%. I recently found out that the real brand has more of the effective chemical in it. It will all say 41% but it is a sneaky sort of label. It can be 41% of a 4 lb chemical or 41% of a 6 lb chemical. The name brand is 6% or was last time I looked the generic is less- like 4 lb. So real name brand is usually a better bang for the buck..
I added a hydraulic oil cooler to my 900 since I decided to add the hydraulic lift cylinders fot the height adjustment. and could go all day because the wipers are very light. Sticks are a problem because they can get up in the roller and mess it up. A row marker ( like I made) or gps would be nice to keep track of where you have been but not necessary if you have a good eye.The roller has rubber strips on it that rubs the roller and makes a soapy lather (with soap you add) so it will stick to the weed but it isn't enough for marking the path..It works better if you wipe one way and then repeat going the other way. I think my wiper is 10 ft so it depends on how fast you drive as to how much you cover. The thicker the weeds the slower you need to go to cover it the best. I did roll right along though.. maybe 7 mph? . The height adjustment is a pain, that is why I added the hydraulic cooler and cylinders to mine. If you keep it pretty much the same height, then you don't need the cooler nor the cylinders.
The best high pressure sprayers with a boom or far reaching boomless usually have a roller pump. I just came in for lunch from spraying with my tractor and I used 300 gallons of water in 1 1/2 hrs using an 8 roller pto pump at 40 psi with a 25 ft swath. Spraying with a 12 v is slow , very slow. I made a sprayer a long time ago with a 4 roller pump and a little gas enngine. I kept it until I got the newer sprayer that I pull with a 40 hp tractor.. collie
 
Thanks Collie! I would be using this in my pastures for a variety of weeds such as western rag weed,thistle,burrs,willow,nettle etc I don't have a johnsongrass problem because i just graze it out. the roundup or generic probably mixed with 24d and water. i want to target the weeds when they get above the grass and leave the legume and grass alone. I also have a GPS i can use in the RTV for guidance. I don't know if the 1100c has an oil cooler or not but i do know the RTV X1100c does. the model i am interested in is 15 foot wide and i think i can get 100 acres every couple of days I hope. lets say i want to clean out the roundup and just use 24d? can the roundup be effectively cleaned out as to not kill anything but broadleafs?
 
Bordercollie is an expert on these sprayers and wipers. She helped me to find a brand and type of sprayer that would serve my purpose. Also helped me to calibrate spray rig so not to waist chemicals. I have sprayed around my barn and shop and some fence lines ect. this week. I think I sprayed around 400 gallons total with sprayer this week and it sure was a lot easier than it used to be without the sprayer. Thanks again bordercollie!!
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Thank you Thunderdome and aurturitis for the kind words. I have been out spraying the fence with the 12 v and came in to see if it was gonna rain. ...probably so, and the wind is blowing towards the just sprun soybeans - across the road. so I won't be spraying this evening.
I have never used 2 4D in my wiper. just round up. However , in the sprayer I have used grazon which has some 2 4 D type chemical in it. The thing about grazon for spraying, it leaves most grasses alone except for johnson grass and that also means corn is at risk if nearby and tomatoes and cotton . etc... I have to spray early in the season with it as my neighbors all farm and I also have a neighbor that likes his garden a lot and gets riled easily. In other words, I have missed that pasture next to his garden for the year. (Grazon is prone to drift easily- I have heard of a mile in wind) but the good thing about it is the residual. (2 4 D has none) that is why Grazon works so well. It needs to be put out so that the roots get some as well as the tops that is why I say things like 20 gallons of spray per acre. It turns a messy pasture into a nice field also if you have Bermuda , check into Pastora. wow ! short residual but a really nice looking pasture I mix it in my boomless 300 gallon sprayer along with 6 oz of round up per acre covered.. and it does an outstanding job of knocking out the bad stuff but.... it will get beans too... It also needs to be put out with a decent amount of water . That is what I have been spraying today. We have a lot of that tall grass called vassy (sp) grass it knocks it out, (so does the wiper with only round up) but if it has seeded, it will come back until the seed bank is depleted. I hardly have any sticker weeds aka careless weeds or thistles at least where I have been trying hard to eradicate them. very little horse fennel but, I do have milkweed because it comes up after the residual is out on the early spraying.
On the wiper, Check with your county ag dept and see if they have one you can "rent" to see if you like it. The height adjustment is the only thing I'd be concerned about. I had to do my own hydraulics and while my Daddy was an expert and made a living with that work, I regretfully never paid attention so did mine as they say "by the seat of my pants" and the help of the good Lord.
I don't think you could ever get all of the round up out of a wiper. What it is is like a saturated carpet on there, it would take a lot of doing to get rid of the chemical on it. It will also collect thistle seed that are open like anything wet would . Also I was sort of unclear in my first post but I use round up 50% in the wiper only not my fence sprayer. My 25 gallon on demand fence sprayer that I carry in the RTV, I myself use 2 qts of RU per 25 gallons of spray for basic weeds.
Pastora is expensive and comes in a little 21 oz bottle priced at over 320$ It takes different amounts for different weeds but roughly 1 and 1/2 oz an acre. I think it is restricted use as is Grazon P+D but not Grazon Next... I use these in my 300 gallon sprayer. The Pastora has to be mixed well because it is a granulated powder . and needs to be mixed by the roller bump circulating until I am ready to spray..
If you want some more pictures of the wiper I use with the round up, let me know and I will hunt some up or take some new ones . Also my opinions are just that so check around . I make mistakes . Blessings to ya'll, collie
 
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Thanks again Collie! Thanks Thunderdome!! I have used a product in my boom sprayer called interlock. it polarizes the spray and makes it magnetic to the earth. it takes all of the drift out of spraying and with excellent conditions i have seen grazon pd and cimarron max and other products with 24d in them sprayed just a few feet from beans and not even wilt them. I really am interested in the rolling wick wiper though. i guess if i couldn't get the roundup out of the wick i could just get a spare to use with other types of chem and just change out the roller. it is raining here too!!! best rain i have had since 2005. going to look at a used 1100c next week just to pull the wick.
 
Thanks Aurthuritis. I have used a dry power anti drift additive that comes in little bags to use, in the mix but have just been too afraid of having to buy a crop. I will check into what you mentioned though. Something like that would be helpful.
The wiper is like similar to a 8 or 10 inch diameter hollow light pole covered with carpet and is probably the main expense. I know there is a huge mark up on this thing. Good luck with what you decide . :tiphat: collie
 
Bordercollie did you say that your rtv tranny overheated before you added an oil cooler? did it heat only when wiping weeds?
 
Bordercollie did you say that your rtv tranny overheated before you added an oil cooler? did it heat only when wiping weeds?

Hi aurthuritis , My hyd reservoir didn't run overly hot while using the hydraulics .. but, I had read about the trouble some members had with tanks melting.So that scared me into putting a cooler on. I think that my fan has never actually kicked on, but maybe once, because of all the added hose and the flowing through the oil radiator. I believe it gave the oil more surface area to cool off. I have pictures posted on the wiper thread of me taking a digital temperature reading of the hyd right after wiping. :) Ask any questions I will be glad to answer the best I can. collie
 
thanks bordercollie. I was under the assumption the oil cooler was for the tranny. I did some searching and found "i think" the problem with heating the hydraulic system was for those who set their hyd in float when plowing. this caused the hydraulic circuit to go through the valve in a way that was meant for intermittent use and the restriction caused the heat. i wouldn't think just adjusting a cyl up and down occasionally would cause the heat. correct???
 
This is the way I understand it.
my 2011 RTV 900 xt has a little transmission cooler on it from the factory. It is a little thing and is in a bad place because it constantly fills with dead grass and seed that the engine motor fan sucks in. (It is mounted right in front of the engine fan.not the engine radiator fan.).
I added a cooler to the hydraulics because that is what was getting overheated . I adjusted the height of my cylinders and would leave them up - half way up but never all the way down nor in float. The height was maintained up most of the time.
I unplugged the quick disconnects from the bed cylinder and hooked up my wiper with quick disconnects to it as in the pictures on the weed wiper thread I started.
I think the new models have a different design. not sure though...
I would check with the dealer and not go on what I say... sometimes I am just blessed . ... I once stepped right over a big cottonmouth......collie
 
Thanks Bordercollie. I understand now. sometimes i can be a little thick.







This is the way I understand it.
my 2011 RTV 900 xt has a little transmission cooler on it from the factory. It is a little thing and is in a bad place because it constantly fills with dead grass and seed that the engine motor fan sucks in. (It is mounted right in front of the engine fan.not the engine radiator fan.).
I added a cooler to the hydraulics because that is what was getting overheated . I adjusted the height of my cylinders and would leave them up - half way up but never all the way down nor in float. The height was maintained up most of the time.
I unplugged the quick disconnects from the bed cylinder and hooked up my wiper with quick disconnects to it as in the pictures on the weed wiper thread I started.
I think the new models have a different design. not sure though...
I would check with the dealer and not go on what I say... sometimes I am just blessed . ... I once stepped right over a big cottonmouth......collie
 
Collie,

What can I put on a pasture that will kill broad leaf weeds (not grass) but the horses can be back in the pasture in a week, at the most two?

Thanks
Fitch
 
We use Pasture Pro.

Jim
,Hi Fitch
I don't think Pastora is available in your state (It is good stuff for making a nice pasture and no cattle gazing restrictions- not sure of horses) and I've never used pasture pro but if Jim recommends it then it must be good. You might also find your chemical representative for your state at this link and get the name of some he suggests. That is what I did years ago and he was very helpful. ( I was gonna check it out for ya, but the site demands a zip code for information. http://www.dupont.com/products-and-services/crop-protection/open/contact-us.html :tiphat: collie
 
Here's what the description for Pasture Pro says on the TSC website

Gordon's&reg Pasture Pro® Herbicide keeps your property looking good and staying healthy.

Concentrated formula 2,4-D mixed-amine herbicide

Use on pastures and lawns

No waiting between treatment and grazing when used alone once sprays have dried

Eliminates most broadleaf weeds and brush

One gal. treats 2 to 4 acres

It was $39.95 a gallon or $69.95 for 2 1/2 gallons

I wait a couple of days before letting them graze on that pasture again.

Jim
 
Thanks. That sounds like the right stuff. I have a 55 gallon boom sprayer, for the John Deere 770, that I've used on the hay fields and our lawn with 2,4-D. I could put the Pasture Pro in that.

Fitch
 
I just saw a mention of it in an article- I don't recall if it was in the development process or not. RJ's jacks on his model is much improved over my original roto wiper though.
This is a more accurate discussion of the wiper study done by my state. and not taken out of context. http://forages.pss.msstate.edu/poster07.pdf This is the same link on my original weed wiper thread. collie

the post I made on 7/14/13 is how well it worked on the vassey grass. http://www.nettractortalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15303&highlight=weed+wiper
 
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